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Fit2Fat2Fit With Drew Manning | Wellness Mama Podcast

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This episode is a lot enjoyable and I’m speaking to somebody who has gained and misplaced 70 kilos and who’s about to do it once more. Drew Manning is the “New York Instances” bestselling writer of the e-book “Match 2 Fats 2 Match.” And he’s greatest recognized for his experiment that went viral on-line the place he gained after which misplaced lots of weight in order that he may perceive what his private coaching purchasers and purchasers that he labored with have been going by way of once they needed to drop pounds. Due to this, he’s been featured on every thing from “Good Morning America” to “Dr. Oz.” And his experiment has change into a success TV present known as “Match to Fats to Match,” airing on A&E and Lifetime. We on this talk about that journey and what sparked it, effectively, why on earth he would do it once more, what the well being and health area is missing, you is perhaps stunned at his reply and why on earth he would run 100 miles in 24 hours. Drew is an interesting man, I feel you’ll actually get pleasure from this episode and pull some precious nuggets from it. So with out additional ado, let’s be part of Drew. Drew, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Drew: Katie, thanks a lot for having me on. It’s a pleasure.

Katie: I’m so excited to talk with you. I’ve been conscious of who you might be and adopted you for a very long time, however I can’t wait to share you with the viewers right this moment, particularly, you’re most well-known to your quite wonderful health journey that you just took on objective, which I feel is what makes it so uncommon. So, are you able to, for individuals who aren’t acquainted, clarify to us the journey and the story behind Match to Fats to Match?

Drew: Yeah, I’d like to. So, this all began again in 2011. I had this loopy concept. However even earlier than that, you realize, you must perceive somewhat bit about my background to grasp why I made a decision to do that. So, I grew up in a household of 11 brothers and sisters, and all of us performed sports activities. So, I performed soccer and wrestling from a really younger age. And so, I’ve all the time been in form. I’ve all the time been match my whole life. After which in 2009, grew to become licensed as a coach. And right here I used to be, somebody who had by no means been obese a day of their life, making an attempt to assist individuals who had been obese just about their entire life. And there was an apparent disconnect and I couldn’t perceive why it was so laborious for my purchasers simply to do what I advised them to do. I’m like, “Right here’s your meal plans, right here’s your exercises. You simply do it, and it’s not that tough.”

And so, it could, you realize, they’d have hiccups alongside the highway the place they’d give in to some meals temptations and eat some meals. And I’d be like, ”Why don’t you simply put down the junk meals? It’s not that tough. And simply go to the health club like I inform you to.” And I had some purchasers inform me, ”, you don’t perceive how laborious it’s for me or for individuals like us that wrestle. And for you, it’s been straightforward your whole life.” And one in every of my purchasers was my brother-in-law on the time. And so, I took that to coronary heart. I’m like, ” what? You’re proper. I don’t perceive why it’s so laborious, for me, it appears so easy, proper? Such as you simply eat much less and you’re employed out and also you go to the health club and increase, the outcomes come.”

And when he mentioned that to me, I used to be like, “ what? Possibly there’s one thing I must do. Possibly there’s one thing I must study as a coach.” And so, that’s the place I began pondering of concepts and this concept of gaining weight on objective. As loopy as that sounds, it was like a lightweight bulb went off in my head and I’m like, it felt nearly like a calling for me on the time. Like, perhaps that is one thing I must do to study for myself to type of perceive what it’s wish to be obese. And so, I began this journey, Match to Fats to Match, six months I couldn’t train. So, that was the principles. I ate an ordinary American food regimen. I placed on 75 kilos of pure fats throughout that point. And it was essentially the most humbling factor I’ve ever finished, and one of many hardest issues I’ve ever finished, however I realized so many precious classes from it. And it completely shifted my perspective of the way in which I view transformation and weight reduction now. It’s completely completely different than how I considered it again then. I simply realized how fallacious it was. And so, that’s type of the story in a nutshell, and that’s type of the thought behind why I made a decision to do Match to Fats to Match.

Katie: That’s so unbelievable. It’s fascinating to me. So, you mentioned to achieve the load, you didn’t train in any respect and also you ate an ordinary American food regimen. Had been there any pointers past that, like, did you must really make your self eat sure meals or hit a sure variety of energy, or did you simply solely select from sure meals?

Drew: That’s a very good query. So, I didn’t have like a each day caloric consumption objective of what I wanted to hit. For me, my guidelines have been, I didn’t actually go the Morgan Spurlock route in Tremendous Measurement Me the place he ate McDonald’s for 30 days straight at 3 times a day, I felt like most People know quick meals is unhealthy for us. What I wished to deal with was on a regular basis meals that we grew up with within the ’70s and ’80s that we predict are type of not that unhealthy for us, that perhaps a few of them are marketed to us as well being meals. So, extremely processed meals that have been tremendous low-cost and inexpensive, actually handy, proper? No preparation time. And so they style wonderful. Like, I’m not gonna lie, cinnamon toast crunch was my jam. I like that, having it each single day and like these hyper-palatable meals grew to become so good, it grew to become really easy to over-consume these meals.

So, if I had a guess, I used to be most likely consuming 4,000 to five,000 energy a day of those extremely processed meals. Like I mentioned, they have been tremendous low-cost. They have been tremendous handy. And you realize, they’re far more inexpensive than actual entire meals are. Sadly, that’s the way in which we’ve got it in our nation. And it created this vicious cycle with this dependency on these meals. And so, that’s how I placed on the 75 kilos in 6 months.

Katie: A few issues that appear placing about that one being a few these meals you talked about are ones which can be marketed largely to children. So, that’s type of unhappy, that we’re giving children these meals, you realize, from the very starting, however that is smart. I’ve usually thought, you realize, it’s actually laborious to overeat on greens. You’d have to really actually, actually make an effort. However I additionally assume that’s actually attention-grabbing as a result of you may study a lot from the inverse of that. So, these are the issues that it took so that you can achieve weight. In fact, they’d most likely not be the issues individuals ought to do once they’re making an attempt to drop pounds. How did you flip that on its head? Initially, how did you determine while you had gained sufficient weight after which while you have been gonna begin dropping once more and what did you modify at that time?

Drew: Oh, good query. So, I made a decision from the start, it could be six months, regardless of how a lot weight I gained. I used to be anticipating to achieve 50 or 60 kilos, however undoubtedly overshot that and ended up getting 75 in 6 months. And the attention-grabbing factor was I wasn’t stuffing my face. I didn’t really feel like I used to be stuffing my face each single meal. Like, each meal wasn’t a meals problem for me. I ate until I used to be full. After which I waited until I used to be ravenous once more. And the attention-grabbing factor with these meals was each couple hours, I’d be completely ravenous and famished to the purpose the place, you realize, I wanted one thing immediately. And so, that’s what this meals would do to me is created this vicious cycle of dependency, nearly dependancy. I all the time say that is nearly an actual meals addition, for me at the least, to the place I needed to have it. In any other case, I felt so depressing.

And so, that was an eyeopener for me. After which because the journey went on, clearly, gaining the load, there was additionally a psychological and emotional piece to this entire factor. I undoubtedly wanna throw that in there as a result of individuals assume, okay, you simply eat extra energy, you don’t train, you achieve fats in your physique. Sure, we perceive that, nevertheless it impacts you a lot extra on the psychological, emotional aspect than I imagined. And that’s the place I used to be really humbled and realized how fallacious I used to be. And so, what that appeared like for me was, you realize, my id for thus lengthy was my physique wanting a sure method. So, I used to be Drew the match man in my thoughts, proper? My whole life that’s who I grew to become as a result of I’ve all the time been in form. I’ve all the time had, you realize, a six-pack for essentially the most half and appeared lean.

After which after I was obese, going out in public, it was a lot more durable than I believed it could be as a result of I wished to go as much as strangers and clarify to them why I wasn’t actually obese. And like I needed to clarify it, like, I wished to clarify to them, “Hey, that is simply an experiment. Right here’s my web site. You go to…you realize, right here’s my earlier than image. That is what I usually appear like,” as a result of I used to be so uncomfortable as a result of, at the moment, I used to be so connected to my physique picture as my self-image. And that’s the place I realized ultimately to let that go. However that was so laborious for me. Like, my vanity took a success and my confidence took a success for positive. And it’s one thing that I felt like I wanted to undergo to type of see it by way of a special lens.

However in any case, quick ahead to, you realize, dropping the load six months after that, it was, I needed to do chilly turkey as a result of I had six months to lose it. And so, I knew it was gonna be actually laborious, however I didn’t notice how laborious it could be going from six months of consuming that meals each single day to the subsequent day, consuming greens and lean meats and, you realize, wholesome meals that, you realize, we’re tremendous usually speculated to eat. It sucked so unhealthy. Like, the meals didn’t style good that nearly as good as I keep in mind it. I had complications. I used to be grumpy. I used to be moody. I used to be ravenous. Though I used to be consuming 2,000 energy a day, my physique nearly fought again in opposition to me to the purpose the place it lastly clicked for me. I’m like, “That is what my purchasers have been telling me about.”

And for me, I might simply inform them, ”Look, you could have extra willpower. It is advisable to have extra self-discipline. It’s not that tough. Put the junk meals down, put the soda down.” And for me, a private coach experiencing these withdrawal signs, as highly effective as they have been, I had no concept how highly effective that emotional connection to meals actually was till I went by way of this expertise and my eyes have been really opened. And like I mentioned, that’s the place I began to develop empathy for those who wrestle with this due to what I used to be experiencing, and I used to be solely consuming this manner for six months. And so in any case, that was a really eye-opening expertise. After which such as you talked about, the journey again to suit was largely entire meals, extra of like a paleo-ish strategy, 5 small meals all through the day. That’s what I did again in 2011, 2012. And that technique undoubtedly works. I do one thing completely different these days, for positive. However that’s type of the tactic I used to ultimately lose the load.

Katie: I like that you just talked about that you just have been in a position to see that by way of your purchasers’ eyes and likewise that concept of being perceived otherwise. I’m curious if something, in that exact, like, did you are feeling that in these situations, like, the way you have been being perceived by others? As a result of I’ve been at a wide range of completely different sizes over the past 14 years as I had 6 children and thyroid illness and over the past 2 years have misplaced 80 kilos. And that was one of many issues that basically struck me was how otherwise I felt like I used to be being perceived by individuals. And it simply, it’s laborious to even put into phrases how completely different these interactions really feel.

Drew: Sure, for positive. And I undoubtedly had these moments. I keep in mind very clearly one time I used to be on the grocery retailer, my procuring cart was clearly filled with junk meals and I used to be testing and there was these three ladies behind me and I used to be clearly bigger presently and I may really feel the stares, somewhat little bit of them my stomach, them this procuring cart filled with junk meals. And I wished to say to them so badly like, ”Hey women, I usually don’t eat this meals. That is simply an experiment I’m doing like usually I’m wholesome.” However in that second, I really stopped and simply let all these emotions of feeling judged sink in. I didn’t say something to them and I simply allow them to, you realize, whether or not they have been judging me or not, I don’t know. They didn’t say something imply or impolite to me. I simply felt the stares.

And for me, that’s the place it clicked. That is one thing that my purchasers are people who find themselves obese must undergo each day the place they’re checked out otherwise or they’re judged. And you are feeling these judgments or these stares. And I’ve by no means felt that earlier than as a result of I’ve all the time been in form. However right here’s the factor I’ll say, Katie, and this, you could possibly most likely relate to that is I feel males who’re greater are judged otherwise than ladies who’re greater in society. I feel ladies have it method more durable than males do. Ladies are extra essential in direction of different ladies. And I feel males can type of get away with being husky or bigger.

So, nobody was ever actually impolite or imply to me for positive. However I did have my moments of feeling judged and that was a type of moments the place I lastly let it sink in as a substitute of making an attempt to clarify to individuals what was taking place. And that’s type of the place, for me, I noticed weight reduction transformation is a lot extra psychological, emotional than individuals assume. It’s not so simple as simply consuming much less and understanding. And that’s why I’ve no regrets going by way of what I went by way of as a result of it made me a greater human, made me a greater, you realize, particular person basically the place I’m not that judgmental coach anymore, different individuals pondering, “Why don’t individuals simply have willpower? Why don’t they simply have self-discipline?” However that was the way in which I used to assume. So, that’s why I say, you realize, I’ve no regrets doing what I did.

Katie: Did you run into any sudden obstacles while you began making an attempt to lose the load?

Drew: Sure. And this was, initially, the primary transition of how laborious it was gonna be and the way unhealthy my physique, like, I believed my physique can be my ally. In a way, my physique was preventing again in opposition to me saying, ”No, we wish the excessive from these meals that you just fed us for six months.” Like, my physique like wished that. And that was so attention-grabbing to me of how highly effective that was. After which as I began dropping the load, right here I used to be a private coach with the information, the self-discipline, and every week I needed to do a weekly check-in and weigh in. And there was weeks the place I gained weight and I didn’t have any rationalization for it. And there was weeks the place, you realize, I didn’t make any progress. And I did every thing on my meal plan, I did all my exercises, in fact, and I didn’t actually have a proof for different than simply, you realize, hey, generally it’s not linear like we predict it’s.

And I believed that was actually highly effective for me too, as a result of, you realize, I might have purchasers earlier than say, ”Drew, I’m doing the meal plans, I’m doing the exercises. And I simply, I’m not seeing the progress on the size.” And the previous me was like, ”Nicely, you’re most likely sneaking one thing in right here or there,” you realize, doubting in the event that they have been actually doing it. And right here I used to be doing it and nonetheless struggling. And so, that was actually eye-opening and highly effective for me too is the load loss isn’t linear. , you could possibly do all of the calorie counting and macro counting you need, in relation to the size, it doesn’t all the time find yourself the way in which we wish it to. Particularly if you happen to weigh your self one level within the day versus two hours later, you’re gonna be completely different weight. It’s all the time fluctuating.

And so, for me, I’m not an enormous fan of the size basically. I hate the size, however, you realize, I do know our society nonetheless makes use of it as a type of measurement, however I feel there’s method higher measurements on the market. However yeah, I did hit obstacles and had plateaus throughout this journey that had a combat by way of. And that’s why, for me, weight reduction transformation is a lot extra psychological, emotional than individuals assume. I want it have been so simple as simply consuming much less and understanding after which increase, magically, you’re skinny. It’s much more complicated than that.

Katie: Completely. And I do know from like a lady’s perspective, that’s one thing I remind ladies now, particularly if you happen to’re obsessively watching your weight, usually, if all your hormones are even the place they’re precisely speculated to be, over the course of a month, you could possibly fluctuate by as a lot as 10 kilos primarily based on water and what you’ve eaten and hormones and every kind of things, and that’s not unhealthy. That’s really regular. And I needed to study that lesson with the size as effectively, and to study to deal with different issues as effectively, like energy and like how a lot weight I may raise off the bottom, not simply how a lot weight was on the size and issues like that as different constructive metrics to trace whereas I used to be in the midst of that. I’m curious how these classes translated into your coaching as soon as you bought again to coaching after the six months, did you see a distinction in the way in which you have been interacting with individuals or did you may have extra methods to present them of why it’s not simply as straightforward as willpower or breaking by way of these issues?

Drew: Sure, a lot, a lot. It undoubtedly modified how I approached individuals. So, there was a quote that I like. It says, ”Nobody cares how a lot you realize till they understand how a lot you care.” And for me, that’s what Match to Fats to Match is all about after going by way of this entire experiences. Sure, you could possibly have all of the information on the earth, you may have all of the certifications on the earth, perceive the science of what occurs within the physique. However for individuals, most individuals, they don’t actually care what you realize, or the information that you’ve, the credentials you may have till they really feel like you may relate to them and are available right down to their degree and perceive the place they’re coming from. And that’s the place empathy, I really feel, isn’t talked about sufficient within the health trade and that’s for me, one thing that I attempt to deal with, first is come from a spot of empathy and understanding as a substitute of listening to somebody like a consumer to reply to critique or appropriate or choose. It’s really listening to grasp.

And I really feel like if you happen to really hear to grasp, you may undoubtedly relate to their struggles so a lot better. After which I really feel like they’re extra keen to take heed to you as soon as they really feel such as you do care about them and that you just do perceive the place they’re coming from, at the least, as a substitute of simply judging them. And so, for me, it has to do with extra assistance on the psychological, emotional aspect. So ideas, tips, hacks to assist them really feel extra fulfilled with who they’re now, whereas they’re engaged on a greater model of themselves.

So, sure, there’s a bodily facet to weight reduction and there all the time will likely be. It does come right down to, you realize, consuming much less energy, in fact, and transferring your physique extra. However I really feel like on the psychological emotional aspect, that’s the place individuals wrestle to stay that persistently. And their notion of well being and health is so skewed that they assume that they’re solely profitable in the event that they get the outcomes. So, I’m solely profitable, I’m solely gonna do that means of maintaining a healthy diet and exercising if I get the outcomes and that’s the place we’ve got it backwards.

So, if I may assist them with easy ideas, tips, and hacks to shift their notion, that helps them fall in love with the method regardless of the outcomes, the outcomes find yourself taking good care of themselves over time as you reside the life-style persistently and as you come from a spot of self-love versus self-hate as a result of if you happen to love your self, you’re gonna wanna deal with your self proper. You’re gonna wanna feed your self wholesome meals. You’re gonna transfer your physique daily as a result of it feels good to you. Not as a result of there’s a reward on the finish of it and a promise of presumably being skinny or having a six-pack in the future, that’s the place we’ve got it backwards within the health trade.

Individuals are keen to place up with a course of for a time period so long as these outcomes are available inside that point, in the event that they don’t come inside that point, we predict, effectively, what’s the purpose? , and there’s no outcomes right here, so why even strive. , I may get the identical outcomes from consuming unhealthy meals and residing an unhealthy way of life, and that’s the place we’ve got it backwards. So, if I may assist individuals shift their notion of that by way of these psychological and emotional ideas, tips, and hacks, and what I imply by that particularly, and what I’ve seen work for me and so many different individuals is issues like meditation or some observe of mindfulness, of being current within the second. So, that you just’re extra conscious of what you’re placing in your physique and why you’re placing it in your physique after which additionally constructive affirmations.

I’ve seen it work very well for individuals the place they begin to consider in themselves. They begin to have that self-confidence that they know they by no means actually had earlier than after which the gratitude journal. After which what the gratitude journal does is it helps them to wire the mind to search for issues that they’re grateful for on this current second the place issues aren’t good, their physique isn’t the place they wished to be, however they’re nonetheless grateful for issues each single day. And so they’ve skilled their mind to search for these issues, to be thankful for them. After which they’re extra fulfilled throughout that journey as a substitute of claiming, effectively, in the future after I get this physique, in the future when the load loss comes, in the future when I’ve this a lot cash, after which I’ll be completely happy, then I’ll love myself, however that’s not the way it works. You waste a lot of your life at struggle with your self, hating your self, beating your self up extra and also you notice your entire life you’ve lived that method. What if you happen to tried one thing completely different and tried self-love in the beginning and study to be fulfilled throughout that course of, though issues aren’t good proper now. And that’s type of what I attempt to do now’s assist individuals shift their notion of what success seems like in well being and health.

Katie: I like every thing about what you simply mentioned. And I am going that from my very own expertise. I had that very same script and filter for thus lengthy that if solely I used to be a sure dimension or appeared a sure method, then I might be completely happy. And it wasn’t till I noticed I may really simply select to be completely happy and settle for myself now that each one of these issues began altering. And I feel as a result of it shifted my entire notion, it wasn’t…I’m pretty believing you may’t hate your self wholesome. And I used to be making an attempt to deprive myself and power my physique to do what I wished it to do.

And after I shifted from that mindset of deprivation and punishment to nourishing and loving and all of that, it utterly modified my relationship, not simply with meals, however with myself and different relationships in my life. And the load loss was a results of that. It wasn’t the objective anymore. And also you’re proper. I feel I like that there are individuals such as you who’re addressing these ranges for individuals as a result of, actually, my expertise was that that was completely the important thing. It wasn’t simply part of it. It was the important thing to really any of these shifts taking place for me, at the least.

Drew: Yeah. And that’s lovely. And I’m so glad that you’re a voice for that and serving to so many different women and men of your followers, assist them to shift that notion. I feel that’s actually what it takes. It’s an enormous shift in notion as a result of we’ve been so ingrained within the well being and health trade of like, okay, to achieve success, right here’s a food regimen you do, and right here’s an train program you do. And if you happen to keep per this, then you definately’ll get this physique. After which with that physique, you’ll change into all come happiness. And other people will say how a lot they love you and then you definately’ll begin to love your self. And that’s only a false promise and similar factor with cash. Like, oh, after you have this a lot cash, all of your issues go away. And we all know that’s a delusion as a result of we all know people who find themselves super-wealthy which can be depressing. We all know those who have six-pack abs that also hate themselves and nonetheless assume they’re not adequate.

And so, that’s type of what the objective is. And that’s…it’s type of going in opposition to the tradition of the food regimen trade although as a result of that’s what individuals will assume they need. However that’s why there’s such a psychological, emotional part to this transformation that’s method missed as a result of we wish to simplify it and quantify it and make all of it about, you realize, getting and decreasing energy to get the sort of a physique to then match into society. Nicely, it actually comes right down to asking your self, why? Why do we wish that? Why can we wish to, you realize, lose the load? Why can we wish to have a sure kind of physique? And you could ask your self that query, why? Why do you really need that?

And I feel the older you get, the wiser you get, the extra you notice it’s about well being and feeling good. And sure, you wish to have these outcomes of getting a very good physique. However if you happen to had to decide on between having a very good physique however feeling depressing or not having the most effective physique however feeling tremendous wholesome, I feel as you become old, you may have children, you may have grandkids, it’s far more about well being.

Katie: Completely. I feel these have been the teachings for me on this journey is, initially, how vital that psychological and emotional part is and secondly, how customized well being and food regimen are for each single particular person. And I feel, like, so many individuals work out the factor that works for them, and so they’re so excited. They wanna inform everybody, however they discovered the factor that works for them. I feel there’s a degree of experimentation and studying to really work with your personal physique and work out these issues. I do assume there’s additionally most likely some common issues which can be useful throughout the board. And I’m curious you probably have any issues that you’d put in that class of clearly with personalization and the psychological emotional taken into consideration, however in relation to simply the food regimen and health aspect, issues that you just discover particularly useful?

Drew: Yeah. So, initially, I’m an enormous fan of everybody having a device belt, and in that device belt, lots of instruments, and people instruments could be issues like paleo, keto, vegan, vegetarian, like other ways of consuming. And I’m such as you, I don’t really feel it’s good to show one in every of these methods of consuming into a faith, which is, you realize, individuals come dogmatic as a result of they do get good outcomes. They wanna inform their associates about it and preach about it. After which they take a look at different meals or different methods of consuming as unhealthy or sinful in a method. And that’s the place it could actually change into very unhealthy.

So, for me, you realize, what I’ve seen work for lots of people is, you realize, clearly, an entire meals strategy, whether or not you’re doing paleo, keto, vegan, no matter. In case you are largely consuming entire meals, I feel everybody within the food regimen trade can agree that’s most likely genuinely wholesome. And whether or not you limit carbs or fat or sure meals teams, sure that may work, nevertheless it doesn’t work for everybody, proper? And for some, it may be damaging and dangerous. It simply is determined by the particular person. , it’s very particular person. I’m an enormous fan of the ketogenic food regimen, not for weight reduction or fats loss. , there’s each food regimen works, if you happen to limit your energy, you realize, for essentially the most half, in relation to weight reduction or fats loss, however there’s a lot extra to well being than that. And so for me, that’s why I just like the ketogenic food regimen is as a result of my psychological readability for my mind is like night time and day.

, after I eat largely carbohydrates, I simply have a tendency to not really feel as sharp. , my mind isn’t as sharp. My cognitive operate isn’t nearly as good. My psychological readability isn’t nearly as good. However after I’m in a strict state of ketosis, I like the sensation of not having to eat 5, six, seven occasions a day. And I like the way in which my mind feels on keto. And my digestion is so a lot better as a result of I’m not a slave to meals of getting to prep 5 – 6 meals all through the day, which is what I used to do. And sure, that’s nonetheless obtained me to look a sure method, nevertheless it isn’t like all of the prep work that went into, it didn’t match my way of life. And now, you realize, I’m a dad, I’ve 2 daughters which can be 9 and 11 and I don’t have time to meal prep and produce my meals with me on a regular basis. And so, for me, it’s simpler from a life-style perspective to quick, to do some kind of intermittent fasting the place I’m consuming a a few times a day.

And I really feel actually good consuming lots of greens as a substitute of a ton of fruit however doesn’t imply I’m strict keto on a regular basis. I like to cycle out and in of ketosis, which is, you realize, I feel if you happen to take a look at it from an evolutionary perspective, people have been designed to run off with two several types of fuels, each glucose, and ketones. And there have been durations of feast and famine the place there was an abundance of meals. After which there was a shortage of meals and also you had to have the ability to survive. And that’s the way in which our our bodies have been designed by having a backup system like ketosis to have the ability to burn our fats as power within the type of ketones.

And so, I like keto as a device in our device belt that can be utilized infrequently. Sure, for weight reduction and fats loss, but additionally decreasing irritation, not being a slave to meals anymore. And I really feel like, you realize, our society is so ingrained on this, you realize, eat from the minute you get up and eat to the minute you go to mattress and all day lengthy, snacking 5, six, seven meals a day. Whereas I feel, you realize, from a well being perspective, it’s usually wholesome accepted within the well being and wellness tradition to quick each now and again. And that’s why it’s practiced by each main faith, not a lot to drop pounds, however only for general well being, cell regeneration, anti-aging, there’s lots of well being advantages to it.

And so, I take advantage of a mixture of intermittent fasting, cyclical keto however largely primarily based off of entire meals. However, you realize, infrequently, I’ve two younger daughters. We wish to eat pancakes, you realize, or I’m gonna eat birthday cake on their birthday and never really feel responsible about it. So, that’s type of my strategy of what I feel works for me. However I’m an enormous fan of individuals that may do an entire meals vegan strategy and be tremendous wholesome, similar factor with paleo. I feel basically, so long as you’re consuming entire meals, for essentially the most half, you’ll most likely be okay from a well being perspective.

Katie: Yeah. I’ve landed very a lot in the same place that seems like you may have. And my strategy is that I don’t do something daily. I don’t need the physique to ever be capable of adapt to something and get used to it. So, I don’t eat the identical method each single day. I don’t work out the identical method each single day. I don’t even take nutritional vitamins each single day. I wanna maintain mixing it up simply to maintain the physique adapting. And also you’re proper, we’re meant to run off these completely different gasoline sources. And so, letting the physique have the chance to try this at completely different occasions makes a lot sense. And I additionally, if my analysis is appropriate, you might be about to tackle an enormous experiment, are you able to fill us in on that?

Drew: Sure. Thanks a lot for letting me speak about this. So, that is… Oh, man. So, that is most likely just like the second or third podcast that I’ve talked about this on. So, I did Match to Fats to Match again in 2011 and I used to be 31 years previous. My metabolism was completely different. My hormones have been completely different for positive. I turned 40 this 12 months on December twenty seventh. And over the previous 12 months or so, I’ve been planning to revisit this journey, however as a 40-year-old. I do know it sounds loopy. Why would I do that once more? I’ll clarify why I’ve determined to embark on this journey once more, known as it Match to Fats to 40 this time round. For me, it’s about a few issues. One, my message has change into so clear over time since I did Match to Fats to Match again within the day in 2011. And my message is one in every of empathy.

And I wish to shine the sunshine on individuals who wrestle with transformation, individuals who wrestle with weight reduction, who really feel they’re judged by others as lazy or lower than due to the way in which they appear, due to their physique form. And my message is to unfold empathy, to let individuals know that empathy is one thing that’s lacking within the health trade. And I wanna be a voice for that. And so, Match to Fats to 40 is the automobile to catch individuals’s consideration as a result of, in fact, it’s loopy, in fact, it’s dangerous. And, in fact, there’s gonna be an leisure issue to it. However for me, like I mentioned, this message may be very away from what I really feel like I wanna unfold this time round. I really feel like I’ve a lot extra to say this time round. And I feel empathy is one thing that could possibly be a driving power, particularly within the health trade for change to shift our notion.

However this world basically, take a look at 2020 what it has finished to us as a society, it’s triggered a lot division. I really feel like empathy is one thing that we lack on this world, which causes hate, which causes judgment, which causes extra worry and worrying. And I really feel like if we may study to develop empathy for others, we may make some huge modifications on this world. So, that’s the primary purpose I’m doing this once more, is to push for the message of empathy and the significance of empathy, particularly within the health trade.

The second purpose is as a result of I’m turning 40. Clearly, my metabolism is completely different. My hormones are somewhat bit completely different. And I wish to give individuals in that age group a hope for change that we don’t must blame our age for our well being. And I really feel like we are able to grab our well being collectively as a crew as a result of what’s going to occur as beginning August twenty seventh of 2020 by way of December twenty seventh, which is my birthday the place I turned 40. And, you realize, I’ll be gaining the load. That’d be the load gaining part that individuals can comply with alongside and be very participating and academic.

There’s lots of alternatives to indicate individuals from a medical perspective, from a well being perspective, what’s taking place on the within of my physique as I’m residing this way of life. That will likely be broadcasted throughout all of the platforms. After which come January of 2021, I feel so many individuals simply wanna be finished with 2020, so far as their bodily well being, their psychological well being. I really feel like it will likely be that good time the place everybody can come collectively as a crew, as a group. And I can say, ”Hey, let’s do that collectively. Let’s not solely lose this weight collectively. Let’s shift our notion of what success within the weight reduction trade seems like.”

And I really feel, like I mentioned, my message, every thing we’ve talked about on this podcast, Katie, is strictly what I wanna get throughout to individuals in order that they perceive that it’s not nearly getting your physique to look a sure method. It’s not nearly reducing weight and dropping fats. I need individuals to appreciate that they’re greater than their physique. They’ve extra to supply this world and their bodily physique. And it’s time that we, as a society, cease putting a lot worth in judgment on others who won’t look the identical as a result of I really feel like wholesome can look completely different on everyone. It doesn’t must be 5% physique fats and what you see on Instagram. And I really feel prefer it’s time that we make some modifications on this trade. And for me, Match to Fats to 40, me doing it a second time is that automobile or could be that automobile.

Katie: I’ll be certain I’ve hyperlinks within the present notes so everybody can comply with together with this journey. And I like a lot about what you simply mentioned about empathy. I feel that’s an amazing metaphor for all times and a reminder to all of us, anytime there’s one thing that comes simply to us, that could be a good alternative for empathy and love and to assist others in that space. However it does, it begins with the empathy. And I like that you just’re bringing that into the health world as a result of as somebody who has additionally been on either side of this, I’ve felt that strain, particularly in health club environments of like, why can’t you simply…this is really easy. And from the aspect of how laborious it was, I’m them going, “Look, dude, you’re finished. You may have abs, why are you even right here?” As a result of it comes straightforward.

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One other journey that I feel you may have finished just lately that I might love to listen to about concerned working 100 miles from what I perceive. And I might love to listen to you clarify the explanation why you undertook that.

Drew: Sure. And thanks for letting me speak about this. So, right here’s the factor. I’ve by no means been a runner. I’ve by no means run a marathon or half marathon my whole life. I’ve all the time hated working as a result of I grew up enjoying sports activities. Working was type of the punishment of the game. Like, you needed to run if you happen to miss a sort out, you had run if you happen to tousled. And so, I’ve by no means loved working. After which quick ahead to about final 12 months round this time or round Could of final 12 months, my brother invited me to run 100 miles with him as a result of he had simply listened to the e-book, ”Can’t Harm Me” by David Goggins. And if you happen to haven’t heard that e-book or listened to it on Audible, I extremely, extremely advocate it.

David Goggins’ story is so highly effective. He’s very well-known on this area as, you realize, one of many hardest guys on on the earth for his psychological toughness and his self-discipline that he has. And so, after studying that e-book, I used to be motivated to do one thing, however I had by no means thought in 1,000,000 years, 100 miles can be that factor I might try and do. So, we really tried to do it final 12 months, however I solely skilled for six weeks for it. I didn’t actually know. I didn’t actually, I wasn’t actually ready. And I went on the market and attempt to run 100 miles in 24 hours and failed, however I obtained 80 miles finished in 24 hours. And what that mentioned to me was, one, I by no means imagined I may do 80 miles. And two, I believed, what if I really skilled for this? Is that this one thing that I may presumably pull off? As a result of individuals, you realize, not everybody does marathons, however marathon is a quite common factor, 26.2 miles, which is tough nonetheless in itself, 100 miles is like past that. I really feel like, to your common particular person, like, that’s unattainable. There’s no method I may do this.

And all of us have these self-limiting beliefs that we grew up with pondering that’s not for me. Folks do this, yeah. I’ve seen individuals do this, however I can’t do this. That’s not for me. Like, we’ve got these self-limiting beliefs that retains us from even making an attempt. And so, the truth that I went on the market and tried and failed nonetheless for me was a hit as a result of I wished to then see if I may really do it. And this 12 months, I skilled for it somewhat bit otherwise, somewhat bit. I had some assist from some professionals this time round to, you realize, assist me practice for one thing like this. And after coaching hardcore for 7 months, I used to be in a position to pull it off and run the 100 miles in underneath 24 hours, which, you realize, I didn’t break any information and it like, I’m not gonna change into an ultra-marathon runner by any means, however I wished to do it to say that I did it to indicate me and others that if you happen to put your physique and thoughts to one thing, though we’ve got these self-limiting beliefs of issues that appear so unattainable to us, which you can nonetheless do these unattainable issues. It’s simply, we’re too scared.

We’re too scared to go exterior of our consolation zone as a result of we stay in a world of consolation. , we’ve got air-conditioned homes, we’ve got heat water in our showers and we’ve got meals at any time when we wish it. We have now Uber eats. We have now eating places, we’ve got grocery shops, we’ve got mushy carpet in our homes. We have now mushy beds. We have now all these comforts that make us really feel comfy. And for many people these days, we’re conditioned to remain in that consolation zone as a result of we’re undecided what’s gonna occur. There could possibly be hazard. There could possibly be dangers, but when we keep in our consolation zone, we are going to by no means know what we’re totally able to. And so for me, this 100 miles was one thing that was just like the unattainable marker, like, you realize, going to the moon or one thing like that.

And for me, you realize, coaching for it for seven months was a testomony to how wonderful our our bodies are and the way wonderful our minds are. And we’re stronger than we predict we’re. And we are able to do more durable issues than we predict we are able to. And it begins with doing small issues. It’s not like at in the future, I awoke and ran 100 miles. It begins with little issues like perhaps right this moment I’m gonna take a chilly bathe, which sucks. And it’s method out of my consolation zone. And I do know it’s gonna be uncomfortable, however perhaps if I may practice my thoughts to try this for 60 seconds, perhaps then I may practice my physique and my thoughts to perhaps train 5 days this week, you realize? After which from there, it builds…you construct up that confidence and also you begin to situation your self and consider in your self that you are able to do more durable issues. After which earlier than you realize it, perhaps it’s 100 miles or perhaps it’s like, perhaps for you or for somebody listening, it’s a 10K or a 5K or it’s like mountaineering some wonderful hike that appeared too laborious earlier than, it may appear like something.

For me, I simply selected the 100 miles, however that’s what I wished to indicate individuals. And that’s why I did it. And happily, it labored out and, you realize, I don’t plan on working anytime quickly as a result of I simply did this in June. However I wished to say that I may do it. So, that’s type of the story in a nutshell.

Katie: I like that. One among our household mottos is we inform our youngsters, you have been made to do laborious issues and now they flip it round on me at any time when, like, it’s cliff leaping or one thing that scares me, they’re like, ”Mother, you have been made to do laborious issues too.” However I like that rationalization and why you probably did that. I’m curious, are there issues like that you just’ve talked about you may have two daughters that you just attempt to just be sure you train them and impress upon them early?

Drew: Yeah, so far as getting out of their consolation zone and doing laborious issues?

Katie: Yeah. And in addition, perhaps talking to that piece additionally about self-acceptance and I do know physique picture issues generally is a robust factor for women. I keep in mind being that age. Are there ways in which you’re serving to them navigate these issues?

Drew: A hundred percent. I simply did a submit perhaps final week or two weeks in the past. I feel it has essentially the most engagement I’ve ever obtained on a submit. And it was titled, ”Tips on how to Speak to Your Daughters About Their Our bodies.” And for me, it’s so vital to assist practice them from a really younger age, each me and their mother. We’re not married anymore, however we’re each on the identical web page about physique positivity and instructing our women that it’s not a lot about what their physique seems like. It’s about what their our bodies can do and obtain. And as a substitute of complimenting them on how lovely they’re, like in the event that they’re gaining weight or reducing weight, you shouldn’t speak in any respect to your daughters about weight or about their physique picture. It needs to be all about well being and energy and treating our our bodies kindly with respect, loving our our bodies, loving different individuals’s our bodies. And it ought to by no means ever be about weight reduction or fats loss or making it about diets or something like that.

Sure, I clearly am on this trade and so they see, you realize, whether or not I’m doing keto or generally I’m fasting, however for me, it’s not about weight achieve and weight reduction. And for me, you realize, we really had an entire sit down dialog with me and my ex about my new journey developing and the way are we gonna speak to our daughters about that as a result of they’re gonna see me achieve weight. They’re gonna see me eat all of the junk meals. They’re gonna wanna eat the junk meals with me, for positive. And, you realize, I don’t wanna deprive them and maintain them tremendous strict the place they will’t contact a processed carbohydrate for the remainder of their life. However on the similar time, I need them to grasp what I’m doing and why I’m doing it and the way our our bodies are wonderful issues that may do these wonderful issues.

And our our bodies are momentary, proper? Your physique, such as you mentioned, you’ve been by way of completely different phases of your journey the place your physique’s most likely appeared otherwise after having six children versus earlier than. And there’s all these ups and downs. And for me, speaking to my daughters about that’s actually, actually vital as a substitute of simply making it about weight or physique picture and it’s all about well being and being sturdy. After which from there, you realize, on the bodily aspect, you realize, we attempt to do issues collectively as a household that, you realize, the place we keep energetic, whether or not we go on a motorcycle journey, whether or not we go on a hike, whether or not we go swimming, we like to be outside and do issues outside.

And I keep in mind any time my women wrestle with one thing like the place they’re pissed off at themselves for not with the ability to accomplish one thing like their first time, I present them movies of once they first lastly did the monkey bars once they have been about three or 4 years previous, the place I needed to maintain them and be with them each second of the way in which. After which lastly I obtained them on video the place they might do the monkey bars by themselves. And that may be months later, in fact, you realize, it wasn’t like the primary day they have been in a position to do the monkey bars. However I confirmed them that video to remind them that, hey, do you keep in mind doing the monkey bars and the way lengthy it took you to have the ability to do that by your self? This, no matter you’re doing may be very related the place you’re not gonna be good immediately, however that’s okay. You’re gonna get stronger. Your physique’s gonna change into extra environment friendly at doing it. And earlier than you realize it, it’s gonna be like using a motorcycle, you realize, now you don’t even have to consider it. And also you’re simply so good at it. And so, that’s type of how I talked to my daughters and I hope I’m doing the precise factor. Like, I hope…I’m simply doing the most effective I can. And it’s a enjoyable journey to be on. I like being a dad, two daughters, a lady dad. And I really feel very blessed.

Katie: I like it. I feel we’re undoubtedly gonna must do a spherical 2 after your subsequent experiment and I might like to have you ever again on in to do an entire episode simply on parenting and mindset and entrepreneur aspect as a result of I feel that’s a subject in and of itself. However as we get towards the tip of our time, a few questions I like to ask. The primary being, if there’s a e-book or plenty of books which have dramatically impacted your life and in that case, what they’re and why?

Drew: Sure. Okay. So, I’m glad you mentioned books, plural, as a result of it’s laborious to slender it down to 1 e-book. ”The 4 Agreements” undoubtedly helped me to not take issues personally and never make assumptions about different individuals. I really feel like lots of our society lives in that area of judging others, taking issues personally from social media posts. The second e-book can be ”Daring Tremendously” by Brené Brown. She’s helped me a lot to let go of this guilt and disgrace tradition that I grew up in with the very strict faith that I grew up with that I’m now not part of anymore, however had a really unhealthy relationship with myself and hating who I used to be as a child due to guilt and disgrace. ”Daring Tremendously” was an amazing e-book for that.

”Ego is the Enemy,” nice e-book to study to let go of your ego, particularly in conditions that triggered you to endure and relationships that’s modified my life. And another can be, ”Loving What Is” by Byron Katie. And that has helped me to let go of sure conditions that I can’t management as a result of I feel so many occasions we endure once we attempt to management the uncontrollable. And, you realize, we are able to’t change that and studying to let go of that. It’s actually laborious to do however has actually helped me change into free. So, these are just a few so far as mindset and private improvement goes, there’s dozens extra, however I’ll most likely cease there.

Katie: These are all wonderful. I like all of these and I’ll be certain they’re all linked within the present notes. In the event you guys haven’t learn them, I extremely advocate all of these suggestions. After which lastly, you could have already touched on lots of these all through the interview, however if you happen to type of checked out your life and did an 80/20 of all of the issues that you just do in a given day or a given time period, what would you say are the 20% of issues that present the best constructive leads to your life?

Drew: In all probability my morning routine, it’s about perhaps 10, 20 minutes lengthy, and it consists of meditation, constructive affirmations, and the gratitude checklist. And that proper there units my temper, my mindset for the remainder of the day and units the tone. Like, if I sit in consideration if I discover issues I’m grateful for and I’m in a position to breathe and be current for the time being and consider in myself and have a constructive view of who I’m. I really feel like I present up because the true, genuine model of myself. Whether or not I’m being a dad, whether or not I’m being a enterprise proprietor, whether or not I’m, you realize… In all my relationships in my life, I really feel like I can present up the most effective model of myself if I get that morning routine in, which is tough generally as a dad or mum as a result of it’s not all the time good and your child might need a nightmare and that may throw your morning routine off to your child wants you. So, I’m forgiving of myself if I’m not good, however that proper there, if I can keep per that, for essentially the most half, it simply…it helps me be a lot extra current and genuine all through your entire remainder of the day.

Katie: I like it. Drew, this has been such a enjoyable interview. I can’t wait to comply with alongside along with your journey and I’ll ensure that all these hyperlinks for the present notes, wellnessmama.fm so that you guys can comply with alongside as effectively. Thanks a lot for the time. This was fantastic.

Drew: Thanks, Katie. And I might love to come back again on. So, wanting ahead to it.

Katie: And thanks, as all the time, all of you for sharing your most dear asset, your time with each of us. We’re so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of ”The Wellness Mama” podcast.

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